Monday, February 9, 2009

Backlash: Banana Hype, Reverse Camber and Marketing

There is an inevitable cycle in any new product release where the vocal consumer base will sway towards the negative. In my 35 years I've seen it in everything from soda to cars, to 'Star Wars' movies to computers and even snowboards. The last time (in current memory) that the snowboarding population was so split down the middle was not over backcountry boards but step in bindings. Step in's have gone the way of the beta max video tape as a general victim that was equal parts bad hype, poor engineering and just being generally ineffective. But, more and more I see a similar slant driving from a vocal minority regarding reverse camber decks. What's even funnier is the bickering is filtering into my comments section.

I'll be the first to admit: I'm not an engineer. But, as a snowboarder I'm interested in trying different boards and seeing how they ride. Riding mostly on the icy slopes of Pennsylvania (Hey you gotta make do with what you have) the general crappy conditions provide a good testing ground for seeing if anything lives up to the the hype. When Mervin started marketing magnetraction the whole "turns ice into powder" was a pretty typical Mervinism. You know these mervinisms by now. The kind of statement that is so far reaching you can visibly see the sarcasm dripping from the catalog. But, like all things Mevin there is typically something worthy in there. The same can be said for the hype and footage surrounding the Banana traction (BTX) decks. Are they so revolutionary that it will forever change the face of snowboarding? We'll find out over time but I highly doubt it. I could be wrong but I can't fault them for being funnier if not smarter than most brands when it comes to marketing.

A snowboard, like skateboard or surfboard, has an inherent simplicity that is a big factor in its success and appeal. The ability to control and manipulate the board is not something that is incredibly complex. But, it could be changing the camber of a board means more to somebody who rides 100 days a year versus 25 days a year. Of the people I hear tearing down on reverse camber decks right now it's a few dedicated riders whoa re so dialed in with specific equipment that the slightest change would ripple effect their riding. From the 2010 Lib Tech Catalog post I had this comment.

"Bananas are so overrated. Every kid and his mom wants one and they don't even know why. A bunch of mediocre snowboarders swear Bananas are the amazing and they’ll never go back to standard camber. Unfortunately if you ride more than 20 days a year your libtech will flex out or delam before the season ends. Quick silver actually lost money off of them last year cause they warranteed so many boards. Its called good marketing and its just a snowboard... Don't Slip on Your Skate banana. Peace"


Knowing the Lib Tech faithful it didn't take long for another comment to sprout up:

"I ride 60+ days a year, on a lib trs, I love my board. My edge has a very nice chunk out of it thanks to a very friendly rock, and it's still not delamming, nor "flexed out" after 2 seasons. Why don't you stop talking shit and go snowboarding you pussy? Come to the northwest, you can still talk shit up here, but everyone will still rip harder than you... on their libs."

Put those two comments together and you have some high comedy for sure. I go back to my earlier statement: there's an inherent simplicity to snowboarding that makes it fun. OK, so I shortened it a bit but the point here is that we will always have snowboarding companies marketing to us, we will always have engineers looking to try something new and we will always have riders who say "if it isn't broke, don't fix it." As for me? I've had a few reverse camber decks I've tested including a Lib Tech Phoenix, Burton hero and Nitro Sub Pop. Each one has its own unique way of riding and to be honest it took a little getting used to the different minutia. On the flip side they are all really fun boards to ride. Because, at the end of the day, if I'm snowboarding I care less whats under my feet and more about the smile on my face.

12 comments:

  1. Well said.
    What matters most under your feet is snow! the board is secondary.

    I'm a fellow east coaster, and a pretty large lib-tech fan (marketing and product). Getting into flame wars and arguments over reverse camber is just ridiculous. It's just another option in snowboarding. Snowboarding is full of choices, and should remain that way.

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  2. fat kids in PA make the world go round

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  3. Werd, love how you ended the post.

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  4. As our friends at ROME would say there's "No Correct Way". If you're having fun, it's all good!

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  5. It's like Burton you say something the masses don't agree with expect to feel their wrath.

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  6. So good dude. You make some excellent points...

    Like the hardcore shreds who have their gear so dialed the very thought of trying something new is painful to them. I know a few of those guys and being an extremely passionate Lib fan, I've tried to get them to try the Banana and they absolutely refuse.

    As far as the comment about the banana tech being overrated and the board "flexing out" or whatever and delamin', let me share my experiences...

    I have an '08 Skate Banana (the first one) and have 150+ days on it, easy. I ride hard and have beat the shit out of the board. I've had a couple edge issues, the edge splitting away from the side wall, and have had countless core shots but I know a great board tech who has fixed it up real nice.

    I don't think the technology is overrated at all, but again I'm very biased towards it. It makes riding groomers easier for sure but I think the biggest advantage of the banana tech is how it rides in powder. That's where I noticed the major difference from cambered boards. It really does just float...

    I'm not trying to convince anyone with my words, just sharing my thoughts and very positive experiences with the banana. And like Jonny said, who gives a shit what your riding, as long as your having a blast doing it.

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  7. awesome. couldn't agree more

    drjcv

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  8. haha yes! that second quote was mine... and it was meant to be sarcastic. i have never actually ridden a banana but i thought it would be fun to get some reactions out of people. and my reg. camber trs does rip very hard.

    but you're right man, people are losing sight of the fun in snowboarding. i see kids in the park hating on each other all the time, it's just not right. i want to take them to an endless powder field and lighten up their day.

    whether you are on a shaun white pro model or a banana, snowboarding is still the shit, and always will be.

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  9. I am pretty sure the first comment is made by a European Never Summer Rep - he has posted up the same warranty story all over various message boards . .

    I love Banana, makes for a fun board, but aside from in the Pow i dont notice too much differance to a regular board - but i also love camber - to be honest the only tech i have really tried that lives up to all its hype is Bataleons TBT

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  10. I really cant agree more with what your saying, its just snowboarding, who cares. The biggest issue to arise over the "banana" craze among my friends its that they claim it is cheating. They will say that presses dont count on bananas and "real men" ride cambered boards.
    Arguments like that are non-sequiturs of sorts, its an advancement in the technology sport. And a legitimate advancement i might add. So many companies are adding reverse camber boards to their quivers that they are sure to stay.
    I rode a banana all last season and loved it, this season im back on a t1 and its quite a bit stiffer, an d i like it that way. But thats just me. People need to let others ride what they want to ride, not just prematurely hate it.

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  11. "but you're right man, people are losing sight of the fun in snowboarding. i see kids in the park hating on each other all the time, it's just not right. i want to take them to an endless powder field and lighten up their day."

    WORD! Well said, and great article.

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  12. I have to say that banana boards and camber boards are both going to be around from here on out, so pick which ever suits your riding style the best and be happy. The one thing that I have to say about Lib bases comes from my my three year old T.Rice mtx board (that I always end up going back to), that base is not only one of the fastest bases on a board i have had but also most bomb proof. I have had so many moments where I was sure I had a nice core shot waiting for me when I got down to the bottom of the hill, but nothing was there, similar hits to the base of my X8 or Vapor would have gone right through.
    Maybe I got lucky but as far as my personal experience goes, Lib makes a great board.

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